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Dual Armor

Discussion in 'Chapter 18 Armor Definitions' started by Mur Phee, Dec 30, 2016.

  1. Mur Phee

    Mur Phee Herbalist Myths & Legends Mythical | Legendary | Epic Member

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    If you put leather armour over chainmail does it still equal 12 points of armour?
     
  2. Pathurs Xanatov

    Pathurs Xanatov LarpCraft of Coffs Hbr Elder - Undead Necromancer Past Contributor The Abyssal Cabal '17 Donor Myths & Legends Mythical | Legendary | Epic Member 2017 Waivers Elder Lifetime Member '17 Old Waiver

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    I do wonder about this rule.

    Artenen Aeolus "If worn under light armor, then the light armor will grant you a +2 boost for a total of 12 armor points."

    This rule does not specifically state anything about medium and ultralight armour, so does the bonus only work for combining with heavy and light?
     
  3. Mur Phee

    Mur Phee Herbalist Myths & Legends Mythical | Legendary | Epic Member

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    I was looking more into how you layer the armour as well. Like does the light armour have to be below the medium or can you put the medium under the light?
     
  4. Pathurs Xanatov

    Pathurs Xanatov LarpCraft of Coffs Hbr Elder - Undead Necromancer Past Contributor The Abyssal Cabal '17 Donor Myths & Legends Mythical | Legendary | Epic Member 2017 Waivers Elder Lifetime Member '17 Old Waiver

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    **If worn under light armor**
     
  5. Mur Phee

    Mur Phee Herbalist Myths & Legends Mythical | Legendary | Epic Member

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    It does exclude ultralight armour though. I've looked over that one.
     
  6. Pathurs Xanatov

    Pathurs Xanatov LarpCraft of Coffs Hbr Elder - Undead Necromancer Past Contributor The Abyssal Cabal '17 Donor Myths & Legends Mythical | Legendary | Epic Member 2017 Waivers Elder Lifetime Member '17 Old Waiver

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    Your question was about leather armour IE light armour
     
  7. Mur Phee

    Mur Phee Herbalist Myths & Legends Mythical | Legendary | Epic Member

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    I read ultralight light and thought it was an expansion of the conversation.
     
  8. Artenen Aeolus

    Artenen Aeolus Paladin | Captain of the Magna Navis Lore Master LarpCraft Host '17 Donor Human Race Myths & Legends Mythical | Legendary | Epic Member 2017 Waivers Blogger Elder Host Vault House of the Iron Ring Lifetime Award Mapped

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    So the only thing we have written is

    **Chainmaille is unique, in that it can be worn as a primary torso armor or combined with other armors to get a small boost to armor counts. If worn as primary armor it will grant the wearer the standard +10 armor points for medium armor. Chainmaille worn under heavy armor will grant you a +2 boost, for a total of 17 armor points. If worn under light armor, then the light armor will grant you a +2 boost for a total of 12 armor points.

    Which, isn't defined real well at all nor is it explained fully either. Armor should stack in Myths because we can't use things like foam armor. I'd be for making it stack simply meaning that Ultralight +1 & Light +5 = 6
    Ultralight +1 & Medium +10 = 11
    Ultralight +1 & Medium +10 (Chain, Brig Etc.) + Heavy +15 = 26 points
    Wearing Ultralight + Light + Medium + Heavy is a safety hazard and shouldn't stack for that reason alone. The max would be 26 points.

    Regardless, The old videos that explained this were not re-shot yet and all that explaining is not in the system so it's just seen as a void. I have to get all the video rulebook chapters shot with demos so we're good to go again.
     
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  9. Mur Phee

    Mur Phee Herbalist Myths & Legends Mythical | Legendary | Epic Member

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    Ah so you can add your ultralight to light and medium to make 13 if you want to?
     
  10. Patrick Lumhalghs

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    What about medium on medium, such as a brig or coat of plates over a mail shirt?
     
  11. Birna Fathmbjornsdottir

    Birna Fathmbjornsdottir Barbarian LarpCraft Sheboygan Elder Natus Gryphe Myths & Legends 2017 Waivers Elder Lifetime Award '17 Old Waiver

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    Currently, no.

    Also, under current rules, this does not apply any bonus either.
     
  12. King Murdoch McArthur

    King Murdoch McArthur LarpCraft of Milwaukee Host, chevalier paladin Natus Gryphe Lore Master LarpCraft Host Transferred Character Myths & Legends 2017 Epic Membership 2017 Waivers Elder Lifetime Award

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    Ther bonus is for MAIL under other armor not med as i read it. (mail is a med armor) but MAIL is "is unique, in that it can be worn as a primary torso armor or combined with other armors to get a small boost to armor counts". Mail is the only med armor that this works for.

    Now as i read it you could stack mail under like a brig or lamalar and get a 2 pt bonus like for plate....but it's easier to just wear heavy and get more points with less on than 2 types of med. Correct me if i'm wrong Ryan.

    "Wearing Ultralight + Light + Medium + Heavy is a safety hazard and shouldn't stack for that reason alone." It would also be crazy bulky and cumbersome, and you may not even feel some hits, i can't feel blow darts or most thrown weapons on my body armor in the front for ex. I wear a gambeson nd mail with a bp so ultralight with med and heavy, and it's not that bad. But i've been in armor for decades so i'm used to it.
     
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  13. Galandorf Redbark

    Galandorf Redbark Barbarian Fighter Myths & Legends 2017 Epic Membership

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    I currently wear heavy over ultralight and have the Armour +2 and Dwarven ingenuity +2 for a total of 20 then cast soliers blessing to make it 22. so if I add a chain mail between that would it make it 32 then all up?
    Also I recently had a massive combat (the entire town vs me) and they all just went for my legs as they had little armour on. Is that allowed? as to me it seemed quite dangerous and many times I got hit around the groin area as a result.
     
  14. King Murdoch McArthur

    King Murdoch McArthur LarpCraft of Milwaukee Host, chevalier paladin Natus Gryphe Lore Master LarpCraft Host Transferred Character Myths & Legends 2017 Epic Membership 2017 Waivers Elder Lifetime Award

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    1) No, adding mail does not add 10 more points. I can't look up rules easily on my phone at the moment to give you exact rules.

    2)of course they went for the gaps in your armor, it's absolutely allowed, its the logical way to deal with armor. How is it any more dangerous than wearing no armor?...like so many players do all the time. If people couldn't hunt gaps....armour would be crazy op. That would be rediculous.

    3) got hit on the groin? It happens, its gonna happen, especially when that is where you don't have armor. People shouldnt try and hit you there...but it will happen. Its called a cup, wear one. And again many players wear no armor, they get hit all over.
     
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  15. Galandorf Redbark

    Galandorf Redbark Barbarian Fighter Myths & Legends 2017 Epic Membership

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    So king Murdoch, So you are saying Artenon is wrong I thought he had the final say on things? that is that is exactly what he just said about the armour. And are you also saying that the saftey rules for larp are ok to be ignored then? It clearly stats that aiming for areas around the groin is not allowed yet you seem to now say that is fine and that can just happen????
     
  16. Lodovicus Tzamarias

    Lodovicus Tzamarias Mage The Asteri Myths & Legends Mythical | Legendary | Epic Member 2017 Waivers Council of the Fortune Provinces Lifetime Member

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    Galan, that is not what he is saying at all.

    He said yes it does happen and it will inevitably happen. People are swinging swords most of the time aiming for places with minimal armour. IE your legs in this battle. We called Hold multiple times in that battle to address and resolve safety issues and every time the hold was adhered to by players.
    It is legal for players to attack the area where you are unarmoured and that is exactly what they do, why would they aim for an armoured chest if they can aim for unprotected legs. You would need to wear a full set of armour to avoid this as it covers your entire body.
    As King Murdoch McArthur has suggested wear a cup as it will help to protect against those misguided swings, as that is what they are misguided, they are not intentionally aiming to hit you in the groin and if they ever do... They will be disciplined.
     
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  17. Yiva Whiteraven

    Yiva Whiteraven Cleric Myths & Legends 2017 Epic Membership 2017 Legendary Membership '17 Old Waiver

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    I play a cleric and currently have no armor. Is there any magical protection for a person meant to heal and foresee?
     
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  18. Thuumaryth of Mirros

    Thuumaryth of Mirros Magus Combati Myths & Legends 2017 Waivers

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    I think magic shield is a spell which protects by magical means
     
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  19. Yiva Whiteraven

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    *Looks it up!*
     
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  20. Yiva Whiteraven

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    Yeah well, I think it's time I started being more of a Valka and less a coward. *gulp*
     
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  21. King Murdoch McArthur

    King Murdoch McArthur LarpCraft of Milwaukee Host, chevalier paladin Natus Gryphe Lore Master LarpCraft Host Transferred Character Myths & Legends 2017 Epic Membership 2017 Waivers Elder Lifetime Award

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    The best armor around?? Friends that got your back. Yiva, you have those, and we have armor in spades. We got you.
     
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  22. Ralik Ravenwolf

    Ralik Ravenwolf Human warrior Akuma Forest Host Natus Gryphe LarpCraft Host Transferred Character Myths & Legends Mythical | Legendary | Epic Member 2017 Waivers Elder '17 Old Waiver

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    We got your six yiva people like me break our enemies and guard our friend
     
  23. Yiva Whiteraven

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    *Sniffle* You guys...
    But I mustn't be complacent! I'll alway strive to get better so I can serve you better, my comrads!
     
  24. Rachel Skymoon

    Rachel Skymoon Elemental Warrior Cleric Order of the Ranger Past Contributor Myths & Legends 2017 Waivers Blogger '17 Old Waiver

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    And don't forget, Yiva, You have my powers too, at least in spirit.
     
  25. Yiva Whiteraven

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    A 'can do' spirit that never quits! *S*
     
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