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Bleedout Strikes On Armor

Discussion in 'Chapter 13.1 Utility Skills' started by William K. Salasar, Jun 13, 2017.

  1. William K. Salasar

    William K. Salasar chief elder of Illudia The Seekers LarpCraft Host Myths & Legends 2017 Waivers Elder

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    Would the armor take a damage point or would the strike become usless
    And I know it depends on the strike
    But for example
    If I have a neck guard on and someone goes to slit my throat would that be a armor point or would that do nothing but barely scratch my armor or would it go through the armor?
     
  2. Shaden Chaser

    Shaden Chaser LarpCraft Host '17 Donor Top Contributor Myths & Legends Mythical | Legendary | Epic Member 2017 Waivers Elder '17 Old Waiver

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    Bleed out Strikes (All characters now have this, does not need to be put in a slot)
    If a character is stabbed with a knife, shank or other bladed, non-blunt weapon in vital areas, the target goes straight to bleed out. Vital spots include the neck, head, and heart (no touch roleplay for neck and head). You do not need an ability to use this common sense mechanic. Example – Roleplaying slitting someone's throat, stabbing them in the head, stabbing them in the heart (for ease of roleplay and disputes, anatomically all hearts are in the same spot as a humans, just to the left of the center of the breastbone).

    Armor will lose a point, for it is still technically a strike.
     
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  3. Wulfric Hrolfsson

    Wulfric Hrolfsson LarpCraft of Tea Tree Gully Host - Human Barbarian LarpCraft Host '17 Donor Myths & Legends Mythical | Legendary | Epic Member 2017 Waivers Elder '17 Old Waiver

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    I believe this was supposed to be roleplayed as finding weaknesses in the armour - slitting throats, stabbing someone upwards under their plate armour, or in the weak points normally found in the underarm parts of most armour (for ventilation or ease of movement!)
    Because it was meant as a common sense mechanic - it's only to be used when you would be sneak attacking someone, or putting someone out of their misery who's unconscious.

    Unless i'm thinking of a different skill???
     
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  4. King Murdoch McArthur

    King Murdoch McArthur LarpCraft of Milwaukee Host, chevalier paladin Natus Gryphe Lore Master LarpCraft Host Transferred Character Myths & Legends 2017 Epic Membership 2017 Waivers Elder Lifetime Award

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    I'd say find the gap and touch them there with the weapon. I'm with Shdden on this. If it's done and clearly hits armor, it's just a hit on armor. If you don't have to actually find a gap it will get abused and spammed.
     
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  5. William K. Salasar

    William K. Salasar chief elder of Illudia The Seekers LarpCraft Host Myths & Legends 2017 Waivers Elder

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    ty guys that helped clear that up for the future
     
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  6. Wulfric Hrolfsson

    Wulfric Hrolfsson LarpCraft of Tea Tree Gully Host - Human Barbarian LarpCraft Host '17 Donor Myths & Legends Mythical | Legendary | Epic Member 2017 Waivers Elder '17 Old Waiver

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    Oh definitely agree on the need to finding a gap... If they don't then yeah, it would be an Armour hit! :)
     
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  7. King Murdoch McArthur

    King Murdoch McArthur LarpCraft of Milwaukee Host, chevalier paladin Natus Gryphe Lore Master LarpCraft Host Transferred Character Myths & Legends 2017 Epic Membership 2017 Waivers Elder Lifetime Award

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    Cool get rules council to put stamp of approval on that???
     
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  8. Birna Fathmbjornsdottir

    Birna Fathmbjornsdottir Barbarian LarpCraft Sheboygan Elder Natus Gryphe Myths & Legends 2017 Waivers Elder Lifetime Award '17 Old Waiver

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    Yep, if you are hitting armor. You've hit armor and it's an armor point. Bleed out strikes, like any other strike, need to hit unarmored bits to damage the character rather than the kit.
     
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  9. Neander Al-Drenai

    Neander Al-Drenai Human Ranger of Vespertilio Territories Myths & Legends

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    What if I'm talking with someone for a few and catch them completely by surprise? Even face to face it is still possible to make a surprise attack on someone. I'm mostly curious on this. If surprise is required for a Bleed Out Attack, who determines surprise?
     
  10. King Murdoch McArthur

    King Murdoch McArthur LarpCraft of Milwaukee Host, chevalier paladin Natus Gryphe Lore Master LarpCraft Host Transferred Character Myths & Legends 2017 Epic Membership 2017 Waivers Elder Lifetime Award

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    If your talking to them it's not a suprise, they know your there.
     
  11. Neander Al-Drenai

    Neander Al-Drenai Human Ranger of Vespertilio Territories Myths & Legends

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    But not that I may have intentions of attacking. There are different ways to surprise someone. Hence why I'm asking this.
     
  12. King Murdoch McArthur

    King Murdoch McArthur LarpCraft of Milwaukee Host, chevalier paladin Natus Gryphe Lore Master LarpCraft Host Transferred Character Myths & Legends 2017 Epic Membership 2017 Waivers Elder Lifetime Award

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    stop rules wiggeling
     
  13. Neander Al-Drenai

    Neander Al-Drenai Human Ranger of Vespertilio Territories Myths & Legends

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    It's a legit question, and the example is a real tactic as well.
     
  14. Serena Valentina

    Serena Valentina Sorceress (mage) Natus Gryphe Lore Master Myths & Legends Mythical | Legendary | Epic Member 2017 Waivers Blogger Elder '17 Old Waiver

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    You'll be able to tell if they're surprised or not. My fellow members of the Rules Council are correct in this, for it to be a bleed out you HAVE to hit them where there's skin/no armor. If you hit armor then it's an armor point. Surprise is not necessary for a Bleed Out, it does not even say the word in the description. Again, I'll post it here:
    Bleed out Strikes (All characters now have this, does not need to be put in a slot)
    If a character is stabbed with a knife, shank or other bladed, non-blunt weapon in vital areas, the target goes straight to bleed out. Vital spots include the neck, head, and heart (no touch roleplay for neck and head). You do not need an ability to use this common sense mechanic. Example – Roleplaying slitting someone's throat, stabbing them in the head, stabbing them in the heart (for ease of roleplay and disputes, anatomically all hearts are in the same spot as a humans, just to the left of the center of the breastbone).
     
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