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Discussion in 'Chapter 12 Races' started by Anastasia Dawntide, Sep 5, 2017.

  1. Anastasia Dawntide

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    Hi all, I just have a couple of questions about a few things to do with ages for different races. Do we have an average life-span for the races? I've been told that Elves live to around 600 years, and I was wondering if that was about right. If anyone knows about any of the race age limits, please let me know!
    Also, about when did the Elf-Orc war start?
    Thanks!
     
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    And what about half-breeds? Does the player decide if they choose one or the other race's life-span?
     
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    the half races you can be both but you choose one, as an example grath is half elven half orc, but he took after mom who was an orc
     
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    the mixed breed races you choose which race you follow, as an example grath is half elven half orc and take after his mom who is an orc. as for the elf-orc war, or as it was called by some, The War of Northern Elvish Aggression, i know its listed in the world time line, and its somewhere between -1000 and -900 years ago, with it being about 600 years after the elves made vamps, lol
     
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    Thanks so much!
     
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    Ages are odd for in game. My kids are half elf, they just play as being 5 years older than they look or so. So boy is in his early 20s in game, girl is mid teens. Irl, boy in 14, girl is 8. Half elf ages slower but not as much as full elves, they got elf abilities though, not human.

    I'm 42, which for a Medieval soldier is old....actually very old. Most died young either in battle or from infection, dissentary, training injuries, exposure in the field, food poisoning etc etc. So human, is easy to play. Lol

    I just play a grouchy guy, that likes to hit things. So it's easy.

    Serena is early 20s irl, but her character is an aquatic elf so she is significantly older. Probly 60 ish...or maybe 70. So she'd be approximately the same age comparatively for her species.
     
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    but but you dont play a grouchy guy, and as for old :P as im older then you
     
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    well so is Doug...but medievally we'd all probably be dead.

    course your an orc
     
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    Dad you are not old, i mean not to be mean but look at so many of your firends about the smae age. You are in way better shape than them you have all your hair and it's not gray and you don't drink or smoke and you eat right and all that junk and take vitamens. heck you beat up all the guys dingos age i know you feel like crap because of you back and your knees but you got hit by a car and stuff . i hope i hold up as good as you do when i am 42 like soldier 76 and stuff so stop being so down on yourself it makes me sad
     
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    awww bear.....

    You so big. That was very sweet
     
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    Does age change abilities? Do you lose abilities as you get old and frail? (playing 51 and being 51 as a human warrior and new to larp) I do still spar in full armor in real life, and my speed may not be what it was, but I (not trying to be arrogant) still give better than I get, unless I am fighting an old fart like myself. I don't have a problem roleplay abilities listed on character sheet as what an old fart should be in the game, but being new to Larpcraft need to know so I roleplay correctly.
     
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    I think it would be good to have in the race descriptions an average age range for each race and an age limit. Just so everyone is on the same page. This can help solve the problem of say talking to an 'ancient elf' that is 400 then talking to a 'young elf in their prime' that is also 400. I play a Werewolf myself and as a beast race my age is 15 which is still young but fully grown for my people.
     
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    The elven age thing tends to very baised on lore. I think xero said his elf was over 700... or 900 years old but he is played like a middle aged arristocrat. You could even have it very baised on the sub race. High elves or the more pure blood and magicly inclined with the longest but sea elves may live a century or two less. (Dont know the lore on pointy eared folkes, this is just an example)
     
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    That's exactly what I was thinking.
     
  15. Anastasia Dawntide

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    I was also wondering if a, say, 20 year old elf would be able to talk and stuff, or if they'd just be a really old baby... eww...
     
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    Again it depends on lore. I have seen it where elves age till they hit thier prime and then stay youthful for centuries. Or i have seen where they spend the better part of 40 years as children and teens
     
  17. King Murdoch McArthur

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    Well Spot, at 15 in most pre industrial age people ...your an adult. In many countries now in the developing world your considered an adult at 15 so that is comnpletely believeable.

    I canb't find anything in our lore that sets this down, i may have missed it. Barring that.....

    For other races lets look to the souce from which modern fantasy flows. Tolkien.

    Tolkien's dwarves live about 230-260 years according to the list of the reigns of the great dwarf lords. This is more or less consistnat with most DnD dwarves (none of that wizards of the coast crap lol ) "A fascinating point raised by this genealogical diagram occurs in the year 3141, corresponding to the year 120 of the Fourth Age and the year 1541 in Shire Reckoning: Gimli dies at the age of 262. So it appears that what the heralds of Manwë told the Númenóreans was completely true:"
    They were the 2nd senteint race created in Middle Earth and were not as gifted as the first, the elves. But to humans who in the knd of world Myrium is would likely think of 60 as very old for a human 2060 would be amazingly old to them. Now Hobbits live somewhat shorter lives closer to time span to humans, Bilbo being an exception due to the One Rings influence.

    Elves...well in Tolkien elves are bordeline immortal. So that won't work for us since they live thousands of years. They elves "who called themselves the Quendi, and who in lore are commonly referred to as the Eldar (adj. Eldarin), were the first and eldest of the Children of Ilúvatar, and are considered to be the fairest and wisest of any race of Arda given sapience." Are the perfect created people in the begining of all that is. They get less and less perfect and some get corrupted and twisted and become the progenetors of the Orc if you believe Sauramon. In Dungeons and Draogns they are not immortal but extremely long lived compared to Humans and even half elves and dwarves. Living centuries compared to the 80 or so years for a human and the 200+ or so for a dwarf or half elf. So for elves lets split the difference between immortal and a few hundred years and go with say 2000 years for an elf, but possibly longer. Our life spans can reach up into the 110 far over the average about 70 or so. So on rare occasion so by that order of magnitude some elves could like 3500 years. But to a mortal medieval type mind that would be effectiovely immortal, so humans and the like might believe elves nigh immortal.

    Orcs...this one gets mushy as there are very different versions of orcs out there. Tolkiens are the main source the others come from but WOW put them on steriods and made them more or less rediculaous cartoons of themselves and had them all talking like tarzan. The Orcs inLOTR, DnD and Skyrim are relatively articulate, NOT Lou Ferigno on a bulk cycle and are not coverd in patchy strips of junk as armor. So going with the less WOW version out of greater source material So from Tolkien fan wiki website "Orcs seem to have lifespans based on how famous they are. Azog lived to be at least 319[1], but died through combat at the Battle of the Five Armies. No definite age is given, only how long he ruled Moria. Bolg lived to be at least 150[2] years old. The Uruk-hai(Saruman Breed) were months/years old. And some orcs(hinted at, with no evidence) spent their entire lives in Minas Morgul, which spanned several human generations. And in the behind the scenes(RotK, I think) one of the modelers on the tower made the mention of having orcs live for 100-150 years, then a new set would begin a new set of construction on Barad-dûr[3]. So if you look closely, the CG model of Barad-dûr has a different look all the way up the tower." So it looks like they have an odd life span depending on which type we mean, the urukai were just grown as adults...so that might knock off as much as 30 years of "maturing" but it looks like while many die young from battle, disease etc they can possibly live almost to 320-350 years. Not as long as true uncorrupted elves but VERy long compared to humans...if someothing doesn't kill them first, which seems to as likely as not be another orc.

    Humans- Most humans live to 70-80 years depending on some factors like genetics sanitation medical care etc. Buttttt some live longer, and in pre industrial cultuers it was possible to live to an old age...if something didn't kill you first. Infant mortality was high, but for the most part if in themiddle ages you got past 3 you would probably live in to your 50's with a little luck. However in various mythologies and religions we have humans living much longer. Methusela lived to be hundreds of years old. Noah was supposedly very old. There were legendary Chinese emperors that supposedly lived for extended life spans and great Hero's like Beowulf were still fighting dragons into old age. Real peopel like William Marshal, Thomas Erphyringham (sp?) Henry II were doing battle well into their golden years. So while humans are only human, we do have some leeway at least with role play.

    Beasts _I'm not sure what to do with this one. For me i'd more or less averae out the human age and animal age. So with wolf based beasts for ex, dogs live to be 20 tops and Humans 100 tops give you a life span of about 60. So more or less a human life span, probably grows quicker like puppies, fawns, kittens etc do so shorter child hood proportionatly. I'm just guessing here.

    Undead are...dead
    Vampiers are...well infected

    Draken....other than Draconians from Dragonlance, Dragonborn from iirc Forgotten relms and Argonians from Elder Scrolls i can't really think of a corilariy.

    So the longest lifespan i found for them came off Dragonlance fan forum and looking up in the manual
    one guy postulated "In one of the books dealing with the Second Generation post-Chaos war you had Khellendros (favorite dragon of all time) who was mulling over creating a Draconian vessel for Kitiara, mulling that they lived for "... a thousand years..."

    Now he could have just been mistaken though it does make sense, whoever it leaves me with a few questions.

    1) Wouldn't this long lifespan. coupled with fast maturation (the females were what, 5 years old but fully adult in Draconian Measures?) and breeding (I assume reptiles breed fast, the Bertrems Guide to the Realms about Teyr implied they hatched in egg broods) insure they'ld at some point to be destined to be the de facto dominate race in Krynn once they were a majority race? (not complaining, as I think its their birthright)


    2) Draconian Measures seemed to imply that Kang was feeling his age catching up to him, now I haven't done the calculations would be roughly 45 by the time of the Dragonpurge (reference obliquely in Draconian measures), maybe he went through a lot but for a race that alledgedly lives for 1000 years 45 seems like awfully young to start having back pains.

    3) In a PBEM campaign Im preparing set in DLCS, I'm putting the campaign to start roughly 3-5 human generations after 430 AC, some roughly 500-540 AC. This is important as I very much want Kang to still be alive and kicking, but I'm having difficulties parsing together whether he should be. I'm basically making a Military styled campaign where I'm fleshing out the Draconian civilization (at this stage, a Republic) and having them take an active pressence in world affairs."


    So he's talking 500-1000
    The actual rules said this "max age for draconians is 500 + 1d100, or 600 years old."

    So we're looking i think at 600 years old for the most comprable thing out there in lore and literature.

    So it looks like it would go in order of longest to shortest life spans Elf, Draken, Orcs (if not killed) Dwarves, Humans, Beasts.

    If we want to stay anywhere close to anything people versed in this genre will be familar with.
     
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    wow that is long.

    so half elf just average out human and elf or what? so elves are like 2000 and humans are like 80 so half would be like 1200????
     
  19. Anastasia Dawntide

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    That is amazing. I think I'm going to have to up my character's age now...
    And what about Fey?
     
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    Does that also mean elves have a 20 year pregnancy?

    Generally speaking, just taking the human lifespan and then doing the quick "dog math" of years isn't the best sort of thing for world building or lore. It quickly gets into the area of silliness. Just because you have a race that may live 20 times as long as a human doesn't mean you take every developmental range of age and multiply it by 20. I mean, if elves took 40 years to reach a point where they could walk and form words, they would have such a high mortality rate they would be extinct in a few generations. Can you imagine spending two decades before potty training???

    "Age" covers a lot of conflated subjects: measure of years; physical, developmental, and sexual maturity; and Age of Majority. And a lot of hard numbers on these things are omitted for the same reason that there are purposely gaps left in the lore and Myrium timelines. It gives players freedom to play around. And for certain character races like Fey and Beasts, nailing down actual numbers is nearly impossible because they are "catchall" groups.
     
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